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a bunch of democrats saying we don't want any spending cuts, entitlement cuts, nothing. just pass the debt ceiling. no spending. >> do whatever it takes. apparently the hurdle is some legality. not whether it's a good idea, not whether it calls into question the independence of the central bank, the independence of whether the treasury will now have the new power to print money whatever it has. as long as it's legal. let me tell you. of all these options, the magic coin option, the 14th amendment may be the worst option. it will be challenged in court. the court moves forward. you end up with two classes of u.s. debt, one which people have a lot of confidence in, then this different class of debt which was created under this who knows what new legal authority that they found. >> this is the point. let me go right. the i.o.u. this is interesting. edward klinebard, former chief of staff at the congressional joint committee on taxation is now teaching law at the university of southern california. now, he says that congress has constitutional authority to raise the debt and only the congress.
will do at the confirmation hearing. i don't believe there's moral equivalency between the two sides which is the suggestion of that article. >> he believe there is moral equivalency? >> you will have to ask him what he believes. my judgment and knowledge of chuck chuck and my suggestions with chuck would suggest that he wants to see both sides come to the table and find a solution. he spores the peace process. but he is upper most, a very, very strong supporter of the state of israel. he has voted for billions and billions of dollars of aid to israel. i have no question when it comes to challenges that have anything to do with putting israel at risk, chuck hagel will be on israel's side. remember, he is working for a president. and he will follow the poll so i was that president. >> the renew deed bait about iraq is also occurring. the "new york times" writes about that today. in his memoir, he writes something very poignant about the iraq war. he writes, "it all comes down to the fact we were asked to vote on a res lation based on half-truths, untruths and winful thinking. i voted for th
, and then i guess this happened. >> i don't know what the circumstances are to let him back in. you know, the criteria to let him back in, but my own opinion, i think, is a very serious case that, you know, i don't know what you do with a kid like that. i don't know where you put them, what whyou do with him, but the look on all these parent's faces, are shocked, 75% of them didn't know he was back in this school. >> reporter: we asked the school superintendent about this hit list. at this point, they said it's too early in the investigation, erin, to tell us anything more about it. >> so, kyung, what can you tell us about the gun that was used, the weapon, and whether it was legally purchased? >> reporter: we asked that specific question to police. they also say the same thing, this is too early in the investigation. they don't know anything about the gun at this point. >> did the school have any armed guards? >> reporter: they normally do, and that's what's really interesting here, erin, is that normally, there is a taft police officer who is on the grounds of the school every single d
's very close to this president. i do not believe there will be a tough time for brennan. i don't know. john, what do you think? >> john, add to that the drone issue. there are a lot of people who have said that he was a big part of shaping the policy on shaping the unmanned aircraft and some people called them a tool for extra judicial killings. >> there will be -- i think best way to summarize it is this way. the hague el confirmation will be more personal. the brennan confirmation is more of a policy discussion. was the administration flat footed in benghazi? reactive or proactive with the arab spring? you make the point about the drones. this is very controversial. there are some democrat that is don't like it, sort of ron paul, rand paul libertarians that don't like it and facing sharp policy questions on that. the administration's policy will be when americans are wary of projecting military force overseas, the drone tactics have been largely effective. doesn't mean there won't be questions of using them going forward but i think the brennan confirmation process is about policy s
europe don't come crashing against american >>> "outfront" next, another school shooting. officials say a 16-year-old student entered a classroom with a shotgun and opened fire. >>> plus, is estrogen the answer for obama or are more women more problems. >>> and breaking news tonight, there is a flu epidemic in america, so why are hospitals overwhelmed, turning people away, and not prepared? let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a school shooting. officials say a 16-year-old student armed with a shotgun entered a high school classroom in rural california today and opened fire. they say one student he shot is in critical condition tonight. he shot at a second student, but missed. the 16-year-old shooter is in police custody at this hour. our kyung lah is outside taft high school in taft, california. it's about 120 miles northwest of los angeles, as you see there. and kyung, what more can you tell us about the shooter and the possible motive? >> reporter: well, what we know is that first, police say he absolutely targeted those two boys, the
. how would he advise this president on how to overcome the threat? >> first of all, i don't think that is a correct assessment. chuck hagel said nothing is off the table but one of the things he believes in is prospects for negotiation. we have been ready to negotiate under the right set of circumstances with iran for the last several years with our friends and allies so, force is the table but i'm glad we have people like the president and like chuck hagel who will be very careful when you start throwing around the terms -- >> he says it's not feasible. do you agree it is not feasible. >> what is the not feasible? >> military option? >>> military option is always feasible, you tell me what the option is. are we going to blow up tehran or go after facilities that might be well protected or hidden? and i think bob gates, the previous secretary of defense, who pointed out the difficulty of striking these places is a real one. so any military option is feasible in terms of dropping bombs but what is the result of that military attack? with respect to the revolutionary guard, he has r
are supportive of israel. i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon, little, if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice, and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in your face term. >> reporter: and we should also note that mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, the top republican here in the senate, made some softer comments on the other sunday talk shows. he was saying that chuck hagel will get some thorough vetting, will get tough kwequestions, bue was not talking about it in the same stark terms as senator graham. president obama is making this nomination with congress out of town, so there's also time for this nomination to melt away. we'll have to see. >>> i want to take a closer look now at the anti-israel claims against hagel through the eyes of a seasoned diplomat. nicholas burns is a former undersecretary of state. he joins us by phone. good morning, mr. ambassador. >> good morning. >> before we speak, i want to tell people exactly what hagel said that -- those comments that are haunting him today. in one stat
, in fact, take on their pet pork barrel projects, even though the pentagon has said we don't want those programs. we don't want those airplanes. congress, instead, votes -- goes ahead and votes for it because it means money and votes back home for many members of congress. so i think that ultimately will be the biggest challenge for secretary of defense chuck hagel if, in fact, he is confirmed, tamron. >> you took issue with what first read pointed out, which is the politics which is what i was starting out the conversation with you regarding, the politics of this, when you have general mcchrystal and we'll play him later today on the "today" show this morning talking about a disconnect between the generals and those leaders of the military and the white house particularly in afghanistan. so it's not asking you to delve in to the politics but face it, it is political. >> reporter: well, you know, the trust between the u.s. military leadership and the civilian leadership is always a very delicate balance. you don't find -- and i guess if you want to strictly define the word politics, the
medicare supplement plan that's right for you. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion. a full serving of vegetables, a full serving of fruit. but what you taste is the fruit. so even you... could've had a v8. >> republicans in congress have chosen to spend their time leading the moderate republican of nebraska. it is tuesday, january 8th, and this is "now." joining us today political analyst and georgetown university professor the golden throat michael eric dyson. huffington post, washington bureau chief ryan grim, katrina van den hoogel is publisher of the nation and krbt for bloomberg businessweek josh green. the hearing for chuck hagel hasn't even begun, but some senators are already cast theiring ballots against him. so far six senators have openly said they will not vote to confirm him. senators john cornyn, lindsey graham, tom coburn ted cruz and -- >> he is profoundly wrong on a number of the most important national security issues that face our country today. >> chuck hagel is sticking up for himself reb
are very. were not going to talk about that. don't worry. i was forced to make and a couple of questions raised about "witness" and one might say more generally anti-communism are relevant today. the first place where subfor clearly gets development when we deal with the great communist power communist power of the day, china. chambers -- this is a passage i like. chambers wrote, what i had been felt for me like 30 rags. the rags wrecks itself for me where not a there communism but a new web in the mine, loomis shroud which has part of the spirit of man paralyzing the name of rationalism, the instinct of his soul. denying him the name of knowledge the reality of his soul and his birthright in that mystery on which new knowledge falters and shatters at every step. we now watch the soulless chinese communist party battle chinese christians, chinese buddhists, and believe that they can only offer a few more better factory jobs in port cities that will provide the answer to the chinese people's freedom. everything in that sense that chambers wrote about communism and its failures is quite ad
. >> and congratulations. >> i appreciate it. >> you don't have to be a lawyer to be a supreme court justice. >> making oral arguments any day now on some topic i will rule in jay's favor on. the purple nation this, is no joking matter. we have a president of the united states using executive order bypassing congress to get done what he cannot get done through the legislative process. >> that is a problem. it's a big problem. >> well, it should be illegal. and republicans have not been bashful about doing that. you remember, that the affordable care act known by republicans as obama care. >> i don't know if and some are not. soit should be challenged. and that is what the court ordered. >> it's also, i think the president who is sworn to uphold the constitution and the second amendment could not be anymore clear, we laid out what our founders and framers said bit last night. the president has responsibility himself but he wants to push the envelope. your reaction. >> and you shouldn't be surprised the president said as much. congress didn't snt going to move, he's going to move. take a look. with regar
for the $182 billion in taxpayer money that saved it from i don't even know if bankruptcy's the right word. how about complete and utter obliteration at the height of the financial crisis. aig of course has become a symbol of the financial meltdown of 2008 so it's nice that they are now running ads to thank taxpayers for all that money. >> we repaid every dollar america lent to us. >> everything plus a profit of more than $22 billion. >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >>> good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, thank you, america. insurance giant aig says it's very grateful for the $182 billion in taxpayer money that saved it from i don't even know if bankruptcy's the right word. how about complete and utter obliteration at the height of the financial crisis. aig of course has become a symbol of the financial meltdown of 2008 so it's nice that they are now running ads to thank taxpayers for all that money. >> we repaid every dollar america lent to us. >> everything plus a profit of more than $22 billion. >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> thank yo
dealt with at once. deal with the weapons that you think you need to deal with. but if you don't deal with mental health issues, you don't deal with substance abuse issues, and you don't deal with violence in the video games in the media, if you don't deal with all of it, you're not going to eliminate the problem, or even reduce the problem, in my view. >> chris christie was rightly praised for his leadership in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. no doubt about it, he stood up to his party for their actions and how they didn't do what they were supposed to do early on to get relief from congress. but now is the time for real leadership, passing the buck on to the entertainment industry, governor, is nothing but a cop-out. it's a great way to divert attention from a politically delicate situation and difficult position. >> i don't let games like call of duty in my house for ps3 and xbox. that's a decision mary pat and i have made. you cannot tell me sitting in the basement for hours playing call of duty and killing people over and over and over again does not desensitize that child to t
you were a lawyer as a supreme court justice-- >> you don't have to be a lawyer to be a supreme court justice. >> sean: and both making oral arguments on some topic, i'll rule in jay's favor on. this is no joking matter when we have a president of the united states using executive order, bypassing congress, to get done what he cannot get done through the legislative process. that is a problem, lannie, a big problem. >> well, it could be illegal and if so, it should be challenged and taken to the courts. the republicans have not been bashful about doing that. you remember that the affordable care act otherwise known by some republicans as obamacare taken to the supreme court. >> barely made it. >> i don't know if there's anything illegal. sometimes executive orders are within the overall authority of a president, some are not. so it should be be challenged. i don't favor a president acting illegal, that's what the courts are for, mr. hannity. >> sean: i think that the president sworn who uphold the constitution, using the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling, clear article 1, secti
. insurance giant aig says it's very grateful for the $182 billion in taxpayer money that saved it from i don't even know if bankruptcy's the right word. how about complete and utter obliteration at the height of the financial crisis. aig of course has become a symbol of the financial meltdown of 2008 so it's nice that they are now running ads to thank taxpayers for all that money. >> we repaid every dollar america lent to us. >> everything plus a profit of more than $22 billion. >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> thank you, america. but now we may sue you. they left that part out. aig's board tomorrow morning is going to be deciding whether or not to join a $25 billion lawsuit against the government for rescuing the company. let me just explain. here's why. taxpayers profited from the deal. that may surprise you but it is true. frankly it surprised a whole lot of people in the financial world who thought it would never happen. they did. now, that's the $22.7 billion that was just mentioned in that ad. but shareholders including aig's former boss, hank greenberg, say taxpay
. was an organizer for ronald reagan. as senator, supported missile defense, defense increases, don't ask don't tell. i mean, right down the line very sort of doctrine supporter of defense. i was pretty shocked to see this huge outcry against him, and i think it goes back to things other than chuck hagel. >> yeah. just maybe. karen, lindsey graham saying this is an in your face nomination. he would be the most antagonistic secretary of defense. sharp words, which probably p r portends something more than just policy disagreements. >> true, although at this point lindsey graham has kind of lost all if not most of his credibility because he sort of has been balking at just about everything, and he has been pretty much following john mccain's lead on most things. >> it's worse that we don't know where john mccain is on this. >> he has been such a follower on so many issues so far that i -- him saying that, you know, this is a guy who is running the atlantic council and that's out of the mainstream. i think there's a little -- a credibility check. the challenge, i think, for the administration is going
're at a disadvantage? >> they're at a huge disadvantage. they expected this to happen. i don't know how far -- they were all focussing on 2015. we'll see. >> and wouven my resolutions was i was going to start stepping out a little fashionwise. so i put this on today. it's not white. it's not blue. it's pink. and i am trying to set some new ground for myself and then -- i mean, i look at that thing that -- why are you on me? why are you on me? who is directing? >> go to andrew. thank you. >> it's a gray shirt. >> can you get any closer on that? >> it looks better -- you have to see the pattern. and then the collar itself, that's one of four different collars you can have on that shirt,ite? that comes off, right? >> no. >> that's one of those detachable. >> i think it does look better on camera. >> it's okay. >> when i look at it on camera, take another shot from andrew's head on. >> does it steal my thunder, sort of? >> it looks better on camera. it really does. >> that's a backhanded compliment. >> no, but we talk about that all the time. it looks better on camera. that looks good on camera
's beyond the mainstream or something we don't know about yet. >> it could be one or the other. that's why the confirmation hearings are going to be vitally important. right now as you said at the top of the show, both sides, the pro-hagel people and anti-hagel people are engaged in a bit of a campaign to sort of set of narrative for who this person could be as secretary of defense. before he sits before the confirmation hearings and answer questions, tough questions from democrats and republicans alike, on all of these issues from his support of israel to his criticisms of the iraq war, the afghanistan war, the -- his unwillingness to sign that letter designating hamas as a terrorist organization, these are all questions he's going to have to answer and how he answers them could very well determine whether he's confirmed or not. >> well, he started to answer them a little bit. he did an interview with his hometown paper and said record is being distorted. i didn't sign on to certain resolutions in letters because they were counter productive and didn't solve a problem. if he's going to de
are supportive of israel. i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon. little, if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice and it looks like the second term of barack obama will be an in-your-face term. >> so what are some of the issues? start with israel. as you heard, a number of his opponents, especially on the republican or conservative side think chuck hagel is not a friend of israel and point to his position on iran sanctions. they say because of his position that iran sanctions essentially aren't effective, that that is another point against him. also, from the liberal side, comments about a dozen, maybe 14 years ago, that chuck hagel made about a candidate for an ambassadorial position, where he called him openly and aggressively gay. now, chuck hagel has since apologized for that, but that also raises some haggles among some people on the more liberal side. not going to be a friendly reception up in the senate, however, the white house obviously thinks they can pull it off. >> an interesting confirmation hearing, that's for sure. >> let's talk a
levels from top to bottom. when we talk about organizing a around a singular principal, i don't think the solution is necessarily to consolidate around existing labor movements. it is not necessarily to formulate a third party platform. the solution is to use these tools and use these bodies in order to consolidate power and to use that power to challenge the way in which decisions are made fundamentally. >> i would like to have time for questions from the audience. please go to one of the of mikes so it can be sure to hear you. i will alternate between mikes as long as we have people at them. >> do you think cooperation does not work in this country because people do not know what it means? non-cooperation, civil disobedience. >> and if not, why not? >> in this country. i believe it should work, that is the only way to help in this country, but it does not really work. >> it works, if you get the numbers. the important thing is about building numbers. and sustaining it. but it certainly works. worked in the labor movement. the problem is it destroyed all of the radical movements. i w
were fanatics. you don't hear about the russian side of an you don't hear about the other choices that could be had. >> this book stirred up a controversy and expected it to. i wonder if we get into some of the areas coming in, historians like to argue about and that have already elicited commentary on different sites. the cold war, is what you're writing about here, and to the film. and perhaps as i alluded you argue so much is the trend is primarily to blame for the beginning of the cold war, that stalin and the soviets would've been, would've been opened and were welcoming the wartime alliance between the two countries. but it was american action primarily with some allies, british, for example. is that an accurate -- >> i would say that is accurate. we certainly don't consider stalin is blameless in all of us. we certainly don't downplay stalin's brutality or the terrible things that were done in the name of the soviet union under stalin's leadership. that's important a factor in. if we look at the broad sweep of the history, beginning in 1917, 1918 when the tray first sent tr
. >> hagel was a thorn when he turned against the iraq war. >> republicans don't consider him a republican. >> chuck hagel has left the republican party. >> he has long cut his ties with the republican party. >> when he endorsed president obama in 2008. >> democrats don't accept him as an alternative choice. >> hagel appears to be a man without a party. >> is chuck hagel the right choice for secretary of defense? it is certainly not the most easy one. >> the new conservative dominance of policy thinking ended when barack obama was elected president. but today was the day that the obama administration made the single biggest play to define what comes next. today, he nominated chuck hagel, in doing, he nominated the first vietnam veteran. >> he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that is something we only do when it is absolutely necessary. my frame of reference, he has said, is geared to the guy at the bottom who is doing the fighting and the dying. with chuck, our troops will always know just like sergeant hagel was there for his own brother, se
say they don't like it. honestly, what is wrong with these people? [♪ theme music ♪] >> jennifer: today the president nominated normer nebraska senator, chuck hagel for defense secretary so he would be the first enlisted soldier to leave the department. and also the first vietnam department. he has gotten endorsements from colon powell robert gates, tom ridge, but the other defining element of his resume? he's a republican. >> finally chuck represents the bipartisan tradition that we need more of in washington. for his independence he has earned the respect of military leaders, republicans and democrats, including me. >> jennifer: he would be the second appointed cabinet member. and not since president kennedy have there been that many republican in a democratic administration. but listen to this. >> i know chuck hagel. he is an honorable man, but he is profoundly wrong. it is pretty clear that chuck hagel has left the republican party when he endorsed president president obama in 2008. >> jennifer: he didn't actually support president obama, but also there i
know, i was so engrossed in it. i don't want to intimidate you all. >> you have no idea who won, do you? >> looks like the redskins. my dad was watching. he loves football. >> willie, here's the deal. you have dr. james andrews from my hometown. >> yep. >> and he's on the sidelines. and you've got the franchise player. and he's -- and shanahan did this earlier in the year. the guy gets hurt. shanahan shoves him back onto the field. you've got a rookie quarterback who, of course, is going to want to go in and play. that was just reckless, reckless negligence, not with a guy in his final year, but a guy in his first year who's your franchise player. i'm telling you, man. shanahan is taking too many chances with this great player. i mean, i think that's almost a fireable offense. he was hurt. >> it was awful. it was really hard to watch. it was like watching a fighter who's got one eye closed. he can't move his left arm. and of course, he wants to stay in the ring. he wants to show he's got guts, he's got courage. somebody, the guy in the corner, the doctor, has to step in and say he shoul
gave to the a.f.l.c.i.o. in 1961. we don't need two movements. if you would agree to desegregate unions, we would have one movement. they rejected him and rejected that offer. andy young tells a story in the introduction to a book called "the closing door" and he says, you know, after king was assassinated, the johnson administration came with affirmative action and at the time, you may have read if not remembered, the civil rights movement, martin luther king had turned to full employment and poor people's campaigns as a principal demand. and the johnson administration, rather than coming up with full employment came up with affirmative action. you won't see eyes on the prize, black people marching on the street demanding affirmative action. they were demanding full employment and trying to reach out to whites, latinos, native americans, that was the division. when affirmative action happened, we knew it would only help the upper middle class within the black community, a very small percentage of african-americans kids were going to go to these elite colleges that affirmative action wa
office's forever stamp. come january 27, it goes up by one cent. [ laughter ] >> stephen: folks, i don't wanna brag but back in 2007, i bought dozens of forever stamps when they were still 41 cents a pop. now they're 46 cents. god knows how much that's worth. [ laughter ] every time i send a letter, that's pure profit! every second i'm not lickin', i'm losing money. [ laughter ] but as smart an investment as this was, it just proves the government can't do anything right. this price hike is an outrage. a penny?! let me get this straight, post office. i put a letter like this in a metal box on any street corner in, say, miami and within a couple days it's delivered in seattle, washington. and for that you want 46 cents? [ laughter ] you go to hell. [ laughter ] what -- what? what am i, made of cents? what's next? 47 cents?! there's no telling what's after that. [ laughter ] well screw the post office. at this price, i'll deliver my own letters, thank you. [ laughter ] note to self, check orbitz for flights to everywhere. [ laughter ] nation, they say an apple a day keeps the doctor away
coulcostello. we begin with a story that might be in your home, you don't know it or not, the outbreak of the flu, this year exceptionally early and unusually rampant. at least 43 states reports widespread cases and hospitals are starting to feel the strain, in chicago, jam packed, emergency rooms are telling ambulances to go elsewhere. wls reports at least six hospitals were forced to divert at rifles because their ers were overflowing with flu patients. the numbers suggest this could be the worst flu season in a decade. in allentown, pennsylvania, there's little doubt, lehigh valley hospital pitched a tent to treat the milder cases of the flu. they can't cram all the patients into the emergency room. if you think you're safe because you've had the vaccine, think again. >> i came to work today and as the day went on i felt progressively worse. this is the worst, this is the worst, yeah, and i did get the flu shot and some of our other patients, too, that are testing positive did get the flu shot. >> the flu is spreading so fast and quickly that many schools in the central united state
says unilateral sanctions don't work and they just isolate the united states. republican critics, though, aren't convinced. >> he is an honorable man. he has had a record of distinguished service but he's profoundly wrong on a number of the most important national security issues that face our country today. >> reporter: key jewish groups being lobbied, that has helped soften the anti-defamation league, who wrote senator hagel would not have been my first choice, but i respect the president's prerogative. >> the white house is reaching out to a number of groups and individuals with regard to this nomination and others. >> reporter: hagel is also likely to face questions about his position on gay rights after his 1998 comments criticizing a u.s. ambassador nominee as, quote, openly aggressively gay. hagel has since apologized but one openly gay senator says she would like to hear more. >> i do want to speak to him particularly about his comments 14 years ago to see if his apology is sincere and sufficient. >> reporter: monday the white house faced protests but not over chuck hagel
the president, please don't send jack lew. during the franl jill debt ceiling negotiations of 2011. it was unbelievable, boehner said. at one point i told the president, keep him out of here. i don't need somebody who just knows how to say no. with the lew pick, all of the president's top four cabinet posts state, defendants, cia, and treasury will be white men. at every briefing this week, reporters have pepper pressed jay carney about what some have dubbed obama's white guy problem. >> this is a couple of appointments. i think it would be useful to wait and make judgments about this issue after the president has made the totality of the appointments that he will make in transition to a second term. >> reporter: of obama's 16 cabinet positions, only two are women. kathleen sebelius and homeland security, janet napolitano. the labor and commerce are open and more will likely become so. it's an usual that can catch fire as we saw during the presidential campaign. >> i went to a number of women's groups and said can can you help us find folks and they brought us binders full of women
want to say that as much as i enjoy my gun rights i don't totally agree with wayne lapierre. as a matter of fact, i stay out of the n.r.a. because it is more political than protecting my rights, in my opinion. but i do feel that these outleft-handish attacks on -- outland i outlandish attacks on gun owners and my enjoyment they want to get rid of assault rifles. i have to say a bolt action and se rifle are two different things. when i shoot i enjoy shooting with a semiauto so my shoulder doesn't get broke. i'm not a hunter but i do enjoy shooting. i enjoy protecting myself and having the right to but that is my responsibility. host: how do you strike the balance? clearly you are right in the second amendment rights of the constitution. caller: i was just about to get that if i own a gun i can disarm it. that was the mother's gupn that her mother killed her with. i don't put mine in a case and if i did i would be smart enough to disable it if someone couldn't use it. it is personal responsibility but i don't see the n.r.a. going after that. it is strictly that i can own my gu
to a more non-robust military mission, it may require it -- i don't know, but i think we need a new legal framework for the post-9/11 world. and i think we have pieces of policies that are cobbled together. the patriot act, which is highly controversial. it all just sort of works. but there are serious issues about interrogation policies. and as i have said, i have strongly spoken to john mccain about that. and there are also other issues on how we do these intelligence missions. we have rogue actors who tried it attack borders, we have many different kinds of challenges. i think many will want to look at this. this includes a member of the cia external board. i would personally want to contribute to that legislation and we will want to work closer. >> okay, the first phone call we have is from bob from chicago. >> caller: hello, you just touched on 2009 end it was quite controversial at that time. there was supported rendition like drones and so forth that were part of the administration program that the democrats criticized at that time. obama has now institutionalized those programs. i
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, are those disqualifiers? >> i don't think so. you have to predict the future. they're going to face very complex problems which we can't predict. that level of trust and relationship between those people and with other members of the cabinet are the most important. >> not to put you on the spot, is there another name that jumps out? is there someone that you would have turned to immediately that you would vote for? >> no. >> okay. just thought i would try it. you have a quote in your memoir, as you were dealing with the situation in afghanistan there was an emergence of an ununfortunate deficit of trust between the white house and the department of defense. was that distrust a two-way street? >> yes. i outline in a fair amount of detail, it's about leadership. that's what i'm passionate about. building trust takes time. and it's the essential ingredient of ever solving difficult things, whether it's a marriage, educating kids, fighting a war. you have to build trust between people and organizations. >> did you distrust the people at the white house? did you distrust key members of the ob
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